First question: Which of the following is the important role played in music's creative process and why?
a) composer
b) arranger
c) conductor
d) performing musician
Second question: Is playing live music "recreation" or "re-creation"? (think about defining these words before you write this answer)
Have fun with this and feel free to ask questions before you submit your entry.
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Oh no! Um I pick V)The pencil because how would the composer have the ability to write the piece down, how would the arranger have a chance to fix it up, and how would the conductor know who's part goes to who and how is musician able to play if they don't know what the notes are.
ReplyDeleteJust Kidding, I bet people are thinking what a (discriminating word/phrase) I am.
In response to the first question, I honestly think all of the above (a,b,c,and d) played a role in music's creative process so I guess I pick e)all of the above (a choice I wish existed) because, although composer is the one who created the music using their creative skills, the arranger might say "Hmm, I think it might sound better like this." and they use their creative skills to change the composer's piece a bit. When the conductor has the music, they might say "Hmm, I think the brass can do a triplet here, and maybe a rolling timpani here. Oh and just to shake things up, I'll make that clarinet part into a solo!" An so the conductor makes his/her changes to the way they think will make the piece sparkle. Then finally the musician says "This is garbage, I'm doing my own little diddy here, I'm not playing a B flat for 10 bars." and so they also make the change as well, however the musician must check with the conductor if it is alright. So although the composer is the one with the big rock, everybody else can chip in to make the composer's original piece more (positive adjective) using their individual creative talent.
So is playing live music recreation or re-creation...uhh.
Recreation is a form of relaxation or enjoyment like playing sports.
Re-creation is creating something again, so it is the same or close to the original like copying.
So is playing live music recreation or re-creation, I think it's both. If you go to a concert and they are playing your favorite song, I believe that would be recreation, as the band is playing your favorite song and you would probably be dancing like mad because of the song. However, because you have heard it many times over the radio or on your mp3, the band is just re-creating the song live because it is popular, so that would be re-creation.
posting from barquisimeto, venezuela! um, please dont mind my horrible english, im trying to type on a spanish keyboard.
ReplyDeleteso number one, id say a cross between the arranger and the musician. i suppose the musician is an arranger, in a way. it goes with interpreting the music, sharing it with others, and then others taking it in and either liking it or totally rejecting it.
numbero dos! its also BOTH! some of my favorite music are covers of songs, and my favorite TYPE of music is played live and acoustically. its recreation, because its really fun, it allows you to express yourself and youre sharing your music for people close up and real, not from a track off an album. its also re-creation because live music is often changed on the spot, sometimes improvised, and theres still space to change things. you cant change whats already on a studio album.
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The conductor should be THE most important role when it we're talking about a piece's musical creativity. Sure, many would say that the composer is the most important because what would a conductor conduct if there's no composer to write the music? Well, a conductor is like a teacher, he/she teaches the ensemble how to unite the music to make it sound wholesome, rather than just spectacular individual parts. If the conductor isn't important, why would bands even need conductors? First the composer writes the piece, then the arranger rearranges the piece so that it suitable, then the conductor interprets everything and, essentially, gets the musicians to play the way he/she wants it. So, even though the composer writes the music, if there's no conductor to lead the ensemble, then the 'masterpiece' could have been just a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how recreational music is, it's all basically just re-creation. Take any one of Bach's fugues, for instance, they're just a bunch of scales arranged different. Music, in general, is just a bunch of scales rearranged differently, so it has the affect of appealing to our ears.
The important role played in music's creative process is the composer. I think that the composer is important because the composer is the person who actually gets to decide how his/her music should be played and also decide the chords. Depending on the composer, the performing musician sees each composer's unique characteristics that stands out and by seeing this the performing musician will "adapt" that same characteristic to play that specific piece of music. In 'Down Longford Way', Percy Grainger put in "louden" instead of using cresendo. This definitely tells me that this composer is very different from other composers. Percy Grainger uses other words which are not used commonly to replace some of the common dynamic markings.
ReplyDeletePlaying live music is re-creation for the performing musicians because the musicians get to rehearse a piece of music and 'apply' the specific playing styles of that piece of music. However, the music won't be 100% same as the composer wanted his/her music to be played.
It could be also a recreation for the performing musicians because there are many musicians who play just for enjoyment and stress relief. For those musicians who have passion for music, they are enjoying every second of music.
I think the composers, they write music in their own style and the way they want it to sound, arrangers rearrange, the pieces in ways to bring out certain melodies and parts of the music. The conductors, keeps the band together, as for the performing musicians play the music and create a feeling of what it was like when the music was first played or written.
ReplyDeleteWhen playing live music, it is recreating the theme or style of the music in someways ,but the piece won't be an exact replica of the first time it was played.
At first I was secured on believing that the composer is the utmost important role played in music’s creative process, but I thought about my musical experiences (be that watching a concert, participating in a concert, or just hearing a tune on the radio) and have come to realize that all of the roles mentioned are of equal importance. Of course, if there was no composer, there’d be no arranger, and then so on and so forth; but if there was no one (e.g. a musician) to interpret the dots on the page that the composer wrote down, then no one would hear the “music” that the composer had imagined while writing the piece. As Mr. Reid has mentioned, music sheets are merely dots on pages to show musicians and conductors the gist of what the composer was looking for the piece to sound like. I think that you’ll agree that great piece like Stravinsky’s Firebird Suite, for example, would go to waste if there were no musicians in the world to interpret and play it. I believe that this question ultimately leads back to the classic question regarding the chicken and the egg; who came first and who’s the more important of the two? You decide.
ReplyDeleteAs for the second question, I think that playing live music is (as others have mentioned), both recreation AND re-creation. The recreational aspect of it is that the people playing the music are having fun; while the re-creational aspect is that (I believe) all music is essentially stemmed from the same roots. I agree with what Janet said, about how all music are basically rearranged scales. In this mindset, I don’t think that you can really “re-create” a piece of music (that would be saying you can reinvent scales, to me); you can, however, cover pieces of music and add your own interpretations to it. I guess this brings us back to the Coverville assignment where we had to listen to some covers and see why covering music is important. So in the end, you might still think that you’re re-creating something, but I think that we’re merely putting a twist to the original and helping in the evolution of music every time we play a piece.
First question:
ReplyDeleteWell, the composer is obviously the root of all this, but when creativity comes into the picture, the composer, the arranger, the conductor, and the performing musician all play an important role. The composer used their own creativity to make the music, the arranger, obviously, arranges the music to fit their own needs/wants. Then, the conductor could direct the band and change the score, dynamics, style [not so much], tempo, etc. Within those elements, the performing musician could also vary their own playing to accommodate their own/their section's strengths and weaknesses.
Second Question:
Live playing is both recreation and re-creation. Recreation is something you do to relax and to your enjoyment. If the performing musician and the conductor do not enjoy the music, they wouldn't be on that stage performing. The fact that no piece of music will sound exactly the same every time proves that live playing is also re-creation. I wouldn't believe people who say they have never improvised at least once during live performance. The live performance will never be in the EXACT way the composer, the arranger, the conductor, or the performing musician's wants or expectation.
First question:
ReplyDeleteEveryone mentioned there is equally important. Without the composer, there is no music. Without the arranger, there is no style. Without the conductor, there is no control. Most importantly, without the performing musician, there is no player.
Second question:
Recreation is an enjoyable activity to relieve stress somewhat. Re-Creation I would stress the point on Re. Re-Creation would mean that something is being created again.
Being recreated could say that us performing musicians and the composer are showing the way we do it, our style. No piece will ever be played the same because of the infinite possibilities laid by the composer. No piece is written perfect. A piece is made perfect through years of extensive playing.
Live playing would be both. You're relaxing by thinking: "Yeah, Mr Reid won't yell at us until the next piece! Awesome!" nah. Seeing the applause at the end is enough reward. It shows that you played well and everyone enjoyed what you did. True "recreation". Re-Creation, you're showing off the way YOU like to do things. Yeah.
I would say all a, b, c, and d are important roles played in the creative process of music because the composer creates the music, the arranger then uses his creativity on the piece, the conductor can adding their own interpretations in the piece to make a certain instrument play it, and finally, the performing musician which then plays the music using all of whats on the piece and what the conductor has added to it. Like what most people typed before me.
ReplyDeletePlaying live music is recreation. Only because it can be very refreshing to play. I don't know if I should feel ashamed or sorry but I'm not sure how to explain the re-creation part. Thats one(and maybe the only) reason I picked recreation only.
I hope this is a "all answers are right answers" type of question. I think the composer has the most important role in the creativity of a piece of music. Sure the Conducter can interpret the music in different ways, the Arranger can change bits and pieces and the Musician can play in different styles, but it's all just the same piece of music. The Composer writes the heart and soul of the piece, it's foundations and this can be interpreted differently but never totally changed. The composer writes the message and direction of the piece. He is the person who makes the piece of music for the Conductor and Musicians to play, and even if they change it a little for all real real reasons he is the one who decides on the flow and creativity of the piece.
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I believe that music is the re-creation of the story that the composer writes. Music is, in a way, like a movie or a book, it's a story that toys with your emotions and makes you feel kind of strange. When you play music you're re-telling and re-creating the story or images that the composer was seeing when he wrote the piece. Although,like someone else has already said, the music will never be played exactly like the composer intended, it is still the re-creation of the story he wrote.
In a decent band there's usually one mastermind and a bunch of pawns.The pawns (Performers) follow the mastermind (conductor) whether or not it is to their own preferable tastes. They can however suggest changes but in the end it is still the conductor's choice. In the conductor's hand, a piece of music is interpreted in HIS/HER way sometimes with or without regards to the original composer/ arranger. For example, if a conductor wanted to, s/he could make a Bach piece sound like a Rachmaninov piece and the musicians really have no choice but to play that way until it gets really unbearable and they might end up leaving. Anyways, the whole point is that the conductor is in control of the piece and can do...whatever he wants. (scary thought)
ReplyDeleteAs for music being re-created or recreational is really up to how the performer feels. Sometimes the music is created to be recreational for those who decide to re-create it. Also, by re-creating music, it is usually a smart idea to make it recreational for better expression.
I think the most important role in a music creative process is the composer because that is how the music is form is being writtern by a composer. Good music is usually writtern by a composer when he/she see or feel something that he/she want to share and it can't just be share by words along therefore he/she will express them thorugh music. The music show us the feeling of the composer at the time. In order for us to know/understand the feeling or to play it properly we must follow the insturstion and theres no way we can play it expressively without the proper instuctions therefore it make the job of the composer more tough.
ReplyDeleteI think we are re-creating the music because we as performers can never feel or know exactly the same feeling as the composer when he/she write the music therefore we can only trying recreating the emontions of the piece
First Q's - I think that the most important role played by a music creative pricess is the composer.
ReplyDeleteThe reason why I choose a composer is because every piece that is beeing played the the musican is always writen by a composer, and with out no composer there will be no music, and without no music there is no piece to play for the musicans. I think that the composer who writes the piece is putting his or her heart into it, and wants this piece of music to reach other musicans.
Second Q's - I think that playing music should be recreation, because your the one whose playing the music and your creating your own style with it and putting your own flavour to the music. (I'm not sure about re-creation!! Isn't it the same with recreation??) mmmm....
Simliar to other people's etnries, I don't think there is only one imporatnt role, all of them are equally important. The reason for this is because without one you can't have the others etc... For example, without the composer, there is no such thing as a arranger, conductor or musician.
ReplyDeleteWhen playing live music, you are re-creating the music because you are portraying your take on what the composer is trying to tell/show.
To me, I think that the most important role in the creative process of music is the composer. He/she is writing the original piece, and is the sole creator. The conductor and other musicians that play the piece the conductor wrote are either playing it because they all found something about the piece so attractive and enchanting or because the conductor said they were going to play that piece. But even if it was the conductor, he/she must of found something he/she liked about the piece, and in order for a piece to be liked, the original must be an amazing piece in order for a group to actually want to play it. Therefore, the composer must of had some sudden creative music epiffiny to go from having scratch to creating a masterpiece that others would want to recreate.
ReplyDeleteI think we are simply re-creating music because when we play live music, we're simply recreating what someone else wrote. Like Raymond said, we're simply trying to recreate the emotions the composer intended the original piece to contain.
Okay, so I probably would have been one of those "all of the above!" answers, at first glance, but you told me that that is not an appropriate answer--actually, the more I think about it, the more I disagree with "all of the above".
ReplyDeleteAs you mentioned yesterday, the musician is extremely important because they are the only one that takes different sources of instruction (from the composer, the original idea, to the arranger, the notes on the page and dynamics and markings and all that, to the conductor, the visual interpretation of style) and makes an aural manifestation of the creative processes of everyone else involved in the musical production process. They are basically the end of the line--the final product. Although I don't feel like I, as a musician, am the most important link in the chain, I do believe that what I produce is the most important. I don't get butterflies in my stomach from reading a score. I don't cry at the sight of a conductor's baton. It's really the end result, not to mention the process that it took to make it happen, that is really moving.
OH! hey. I forgot about the second question.
ReplyDeletePlaying music is first and foremost re-creating. If I were to say, jam with a group of my friends, I would call that recreation-- something I do for fun. Looking at dots on a page and trying to bring emotion out of it? That better be re-creation. I also agree with Raymond. We're recreating the emotion that the composer is trying to communicate on paper. It's pretty fancy stuff.
Oh, and I hope that anyone who thinks music is simply recreation takes a second look at why they are playing music... if it were my choice, I would have no time for people who don't take this process seriously and to a deep sentimental appreciation.
for the first question i think the most important role played in music's creative process is the musican because it will help find out what it sounds like.
ReplyDeletefor the second question i think live music is recreation because it fun for people
Hmm...this one is a toughy.
ReplyDeleteWell personally I think that for question oent he answer is clearly 'all of the above' partly because all of those people have an important role in music's creative process.
For the second question (through this may be incorrect) I personally believe the answer is recreation. I chose recreation, because re-creation is basicly just playing the song as is. While recreation is having fun while playing that piece; ie - adding some extra notes or signals to make the piece for lively.
I think the composer is the important role in music’s creative process. The composer gives the musicians the initial image of how to music should be play. Although there are some things that the arranger, conductor, or musician can change, but the things you can’t are what the song is mostly built on, which is under the composer’s control. This gives us a limited change in how we can play the piece since the composer wants the song to play more or less a certain way.
ReplyDeleteI think music is recreation because music is supposed to be fun for everyone, the performer and the audience. How I see re-creation is remake of the same original piece, which is not what I think of music since live music is always different.
I personally think that all of the followings are important because all of them play an important role. For example, if there were no conductors, the musicians would be off beat and the piece of music will sound bad. Therefore all of them are important because it would make a big difference.
ReplyDeleteI think a live music is more like re-creation because it’s like inventing a new piece of music, while recreation is just like playing an ordinary piece of music.
All of the above roles are, of course, of great importance. As for the MOST important..
ReplyDeleteIn response to Ruby's idea of the musician being the most important as (s)he is the "end of the line" of the creative process:
Looking at it that way, you could also come to the conclusion that the composer is the most important; as the musicians depend upon the conductor who depends upon the arranger who depends upon the composer - the composer is the root of it all. Being the foundation of the whole chain, the composer arguably has the most important role.
Which isn't to say that is how I see it, I was jus sayin.. although reading through other people's comments, it seems many students feel it to be true.
In our ensemble the musicians are of creative importance as a collective, rather than individually. We absorb information from all three other sources and turn it into something beautiful! Without these sources, we'd be no where. Can you imagine our ensemble without Mr.Reid? Or the sheet music, and the creative mind that produced it?
Question number two:
For me, re-creation IS recreational!
So it is recreational re-creation. what?
I would have to say the performing musician is the most important role in the creative process. Although composers are the ones writing down the music and such, not everything is written down. Same with conductors. Many groups don't have conductors because they have no need for them. Say you go to a pub in Newfoundland. There, you might find some musicians playing fiddle tunes without music in front of them or a conductor. As for reasons why, although the composer is the one writing down their version or interpretation of the piece, it is just that; their interpretation. Conductors also have their own interpretations, but conductors are not always present. Ultimately, it is the performing musician that puts their interpretation into action, leaving them with the final say.
ReplyDeleteI'd have to say it's both. Some find it fun to perform what they've worked so hard to perfect. Especially in orchestral pieces, little to none is changed, as the musicians are trying to recreate the thoughts and feelings of the composer at the time it was written, like Raymond had said. For songs you find at rock concerts and such, it is rare to see the band perform the song exactly like it was on the CD. They change it up a little, and they have fun doing it.
I believe that the composer plays the greatest role in music's creative process because he/she provides the base, or foundation for the music that is being re-created.
ReplyDeletePlaying live music is re-creation, as the music that is being played is re-created from what the composer had originally wanted.
I'd say the best summarizing answer would be the performing musician because, essentially, the conductor, arranger and composer are all musicians themselves. I think Ruby explained it best ... the musician is the "final product".
ReplyDeleteI think first and foremost, a person can only be called a "musician" if they play because they love to, not, for example, because they have a talent and feel they must utilize it ... hence, recreation. However, I think in general, we are trying to re-create music, playing the composer's ideas as it's written on the page. Of course, there's always room for personal interpretation (more so with contemporary music/songs), but it's always in line with what the composer's intent is. I mean, if I showed up to one of my piano exams playing something that's Baroque in my own favourite style (Romantic, let's say), I know I'd be in big trouble.
As well ... WHOA. I read Gigi's very philosophical response to the second question and got totally confused. Recreation is re-creation, hence re-creation is recreation ... maybe I'm just inept ... ??
I think that the most important roles played in the creative process is the composer and the conductor. Although all of the roles are important to the creative process, I think that the other two roles are less significant to this process. This is because composer is the one that actually writes the music and the composer has to interpret the notes on the page and make music.
ReplyDeleteI think that music is both re-creation and recreation. Re-creation because everytime you play a piece of music it sounds different. When you play a piece of music you apply what you know to it and since we're always learning, it always gets better. Music is also recreation because we are still playing instruments and playing music.
I believe that for the first question, the answer varies for each composition. Did the composer just write a piece of music, not caring too much for the outcome, or did they carefully construct their piece? How much of that piece will the arranger change, a couple notes, or a whole section? How will the conductor interpret the music, will they had their own style to it, or stay basic? Finally, how will the musician take the notes off of the paper, and make them turn into a sound? I believe that each part is important as the next, and the creative process of each piece of music is slightly different.
ReplyDeleteAs for the second question, I think that live music is both re-creational and recreational. How are you playing the music, are you playing it off the top of your head, or are you reading something someone else wrote?
In most cases, you are reading the music, but the outcome is slightly different every time you play. In other words, you are re-creating a base idea, but with a slight twist each time. Music can also be recreational, but it depends on who you talk to. Are you playing the music out of love, or out of need? Do you play to create music, or to get paid (or to just complete a class)? Those who have a passion for music, or who just have fun playing, would find music to be recreational.
QUESTION 1
ReplyDeleteI think that all the roles listed above are important roles in music’s creative process, because to begin with, the composer composes the piece of music, and then the arranger arranges it around. Afterward, the conductor could change some parts around, and add solos here and there, and then it is up to the performing musicians to produce the music according to how the conductor conducts the piece. Overall, all these roles have a contribution to a piece’s music process.
QUESTION 2
I think that playing live music is both recreational and re-creation in their own ways. I cannot completely agree on just one, so I chose both of them. Live music is recreational in the sense that it is a source of enjoyment and pleasure, while as I read through Janet’s I agree on how she said about that music is re-creation. It’s based on the re-arrangements of scales to produce a musical piece. But, all in all, I do agree on both of them.
I would say that the composer plays the most important role in the creativity of music. They are the ones that create the composition and everyone after that just interprets it. It's like when people go to the art gallery and analyze a painting. They are interpreting the picture, but they are certainly not playing the most important role in its creativity. It is the same thing for the conductor and the musicians that play a piece of music. Sure, they bring in their own insight, but can that really be called 'the most important role in the creativity of this composition'? I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteFor the second question, I think that music is both. It doesn't really have to be one or the other, because recreation and re-creation don't have that much in common. Recreation consists of actions or activities that one does for enjoyment, and re-creation is taking something old and creating it again. Music can easily be both of these things because everyone who plays music recreates it simply by performing what has already been created. But music is also recreational because many people perform music for fun.
I think that they all play a role in the creative process of music. They all have their job to do, but I think that the composer is the most important. He(/she) is the one who creates the music. He is the one who decides what the music should sound like and therefore he is the one who makes it as he wants.
ReplyDeleteFor the second question, I don't think those words are very similar so it would be okay to say both. Playing live music can be just for fun and to re-create a piece of music in your own way.
1) I'd say the most important role played in music's creative process be the composer. A very simple explanation to this would be that the composer states the way he would like his/her music to be played, how he/she would like the conductor to conduct it, and other things on paper, the score and the sheet music. Without this, the conductor would not be able to express how the composer wanted properly, and without that, then the musician cannot play to the composer's liking. So basically, the conductor cannot do his/her job with the composer, and the musician cannot cannot do his/her job without the composer.
ReplyDelete2) I'd say playing live music is is a combination of recreation and re-creation. When you hear something that you like, then its recreation because you're enjoying it and you're relaxing from hearing it. So when you hear it played live, then its obviously recreation because you like it. It is also re-creation because during concerts, you will be hearing the song that you'll like, but there are often many mistakes made. This means there will be improvisation on the spot due to mistakes made, because mistakes are inevitable. The live concert will always be the re-creation because the released studio version of the song cannot be changed and re-released.
I don't think there's one end-all, be-all "important role" in music's creative process. I suppose the composer plays the biggest role, because he or she creates a piece of music out of nothing. He/she takes notes, rhythms, and emotions and turns them into a work of art. The arranger, the conductor, and the performer are sort of like the curators of that art. Still, every step is part of the creative process. Just as a play is nothing but words until it is interpreted and performed, and the play will be radically different depending on the director, costume designer, actors, etc., so does a piece of music depend on the arranger, the conductor, the performer to bring it to life. I don't have any experience arranging, but I've written some music and am learning to conduct. It is impossible to understand the importance of each role until you've tried it yourself.
ReplyDeleteAs Janet said, music is just made up of a few notes arranged in different ways. However, what is literature but words and images arranged in different ways, and what are paintings but colours expressed in different ways? The only type of creation people know is using what they know to create something new. Composers use scales, notes, and rhythms that they know to write a new piece, not to mention the inspiration they draw from other composers. Music is re-creation because all music contains some common elements, and once a piece is written, it may be performed, re-created, and changed over time by different performers, arrangers, composers.More than that, though, music is recreation because people do it for enjoyment, among other things. It is pleasurable to listen to, to write, to play, to conduct. It can be as casual as background noise while doing homework, or as formal as an orchestral performance. But music is more than re-creation or recreation. It is part of our culture and, as musicians, part of who we are.
Sorry for the long post. I got a bit carried away with all this deep thinking. :)
I believe that the composer is the important part in a piece's creative process because the composer is the one who actually thinks up the whole piece and creates it. The other parts are really just reciting the piece.
ReplyDeleteI think that music is both. It is a recreational activity, and it is also re-creating the piece when you play it. These two terms are not similar and music can not really be compared between them.
my apologies for not posting earlier, but for some reason the comment box didn't appear on my browser until now.
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The most important role in the music's creative process in my opinion would be the conductor and the performing musician. The conductor is the one who decides what style he/she wants the piece played, add little touches to it by sprucing up a certain section to make it their own. The performing musician definitely has one of the most important roles in music's creative process because the musicians are the ones who actually physically play the music and tie everything together in the end. The musicans interpret the music and add a little more extra something into it. They can also shape notes and play accents and dynamics more prominently to make things more interesting and creative.
2. Playing live music is both recreation and re-creation. It is re-creation because it is the act of performing music that has already been created but also customizing it to a style that suits the live performer's style. It is also recreation because performing music is just plain fun, you get to express yourself and just have a good time with it, and I can confirm this fact especially after seeing all the vocal jazz groups having so much fun with their performances at Banff back in April.
1st question-
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion the composer and the performing musician are the most important roles in music's creative process because the composer creates the music, and the musician translates it into sound. The arranger may change the music however the music should still be kept the same as when the composer wrote it. The conductor may conduct the music in his/her own style, but the music is still played by the musicians and the music is still written by the composer.
2nd question-
Personally i think of music as recreational because i enjoy playing it, and have passion for it. However other people may have different opinions and may find music re-creational.
I would choose conductor, because a good conductor, as mr.Reid has said, is the physical form of the music. And just seeing the conductor, we'll be able to know HOW its suppose to sound, HOW to play the notes given to us, WHAT style, and probably a lot more that I can't name.
ReplyDeleteFor some reason, discussion topic # 6 wasn't opening for me. So I'll post this here.
ReplyDeleteSorry for the late post.
Good things in V2:
- from 0:52-1:00 the crescendo was better, in V1, it started too strong already
- the last two bars are rushed...even though it was still the case in V2, it was worse in V1
- the last two bars in V2, you can actually hear the fifth instead of in V1 where it kind of goes weak and flat
Good things in V1 (or bad in V2)
- The intro was better in V1, I think I heard some dry reeds in the intro of V2
- Again, in V1, the intro was better, V2's entry seemed dull (and the timpani solo has slight rhythm issues in V2?)
Overall I'd pick Version 1 because of the one thing that irritated me in Version 2:
- 0:38...Late Crash Cymbal. It's like a twitch and it might have been just better to not play it at all. (Which is what sounded like the case in Version 1 as it was non-existent)
PS. For RAF, 90% of the tempo we usually play in seems a bit better. I was playing around the play speed and it sounded better.
I think the composer definitely plays the most important role in the creative process of music. The arranger, conductor and performing musician can all change certain things here and there but they can't change the piece completely or it wouldn't be the same piece anymore. Without the composer there would be no piece and there would be nothing for anyone to change about it.
ReplyDeleteEven though one band's interpretation of a piece is different than another’s I think playing music is recreational. I think people enjoy playing it more than they re-create it.
The composer is, without a doubt, the most important in the creative process of music. He or she can decide which way the piece is played. The arranger can put notes of the paper, but the conductor decides how it is played.
ReplyDeleteI think playing music is re-creation because you're playing it again in a different style, so in reality that's re-creating that piece of music. Recreation is having fun, which everyone is doing, but to play good live music, the band will re-create the music.
For me, I think there are no answers in two questions.
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Even though one band has great conductor but if musicians don't follow him/her, everything goes in vain. Vice versa for everything else - composer, arranger, conductor, and performing musicians.
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While playing music in normal life, you don't play the music because you have test or serious problems around you. So, the music is recreation. Also, while musicians play the music, they are re-creating music by playing own tempo and style. So, the music is also can be re-creation.
1. Although all of them play a huge part in the music’s creativity process, I think that the composer may be the most important role. I say this because the composer is the one who is at the root of the music. He/she is the one who puts the music in their head onto a piece of paper. Without the piece of music to begin with, the arranger, conductor, and musicians couldn’t do their job. Though the music may change its style depending on the interpretations of the musicians, it is still that same piece that the composer created.
ReplyDelete2. To me, playing live music is a little bit of both. When you play live music it is mostly for your own benefit and pleasure (recreation). However, it is also re-creation because every single band has their own weakness and strengths and how they interpret the music is different. No two bands can play in the same piece and sound exactly the same, just as no two snowflakes can be exactly the same.
I think of music more as recreation. i play it for fun, and i enjoy it. I feel that music, being an art, is more free and you can use more creative license. So, instead of playing music exactly how the composer/arranger wanted it to be is virtually impossible. Yes, we do have to follow most of the directions, but we don't have to.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of creative process, I think that the conductor and the performers play the more important roles. They're the ones, untimately, who decide how they want their performance to sound like. Everyone is free to interpret music however they like.
I think the importanted role is all of them.
ReplyDeleteBecuase without the composer there would be no music. Without the arranger again there would be no music. Without the conductor the music is not put in to context. Last but not leats, Without the performaning musicians the music would not be played. Everyone on at least plays a very importante part in the music's creative process.
Recreation is the action of doing and activity for your on enjoyement or and activity that is relaxing.
Re-creation is the act of re-creationg something.
I thik the act of playing live music could be either recreation or re=creation it really would depend on the person you asked. I think most that you would ask would say recreation becuase most peoplr do it for fun. I personally say recreation because I play for and because i enjoy it.
The creative process's most important individual is the composer/performer, although sometimes these are multiple people. In the ensemble setting, bands usually play music written by someone else. But a lot of music is created/performed by the same people. When these roles are played by two or more different people, the role is split. Sort of like and author and a reader; the author makes black symbols on a page, but they would be practically meaningless (in our society's perceptions of worth, at least) unless someone read them and took the ideas and combined them with their own.
ReplyDeleteRecreation's etymology (word of the day?) originates from the 15th century "recreatio" (Latin), meaning to restore one to health. Re-create means to create anew. Live music would definitely fall into the former category if it was improvised. Music played from paper or from memory would be re-created.